Flipping the mic, an interview with Stacy Ennis | Episode 200

Stacy: The thing that I think is wonderful about a podcast and other long form content, unlike a reel, this actually engages people intellectually. It does feel like a conversation. So there are certain podcasters I listen to that, I mean, I probably have like a parasocial relationship with in some way, right? Like I, I feel like I know them. I don’t actually think they’re a friend, but I, I do feel like I, I, I understand them, I know their personality. Like I listen to this American Life every week. I think Ira Glass is a complete rock star, you know, the host of that. And so there is this thing where people are spending, you know, sometimes an up to an hour a week. Usually our episodes are around 45 minutes, but, you know, a good chunk of time every single week.

Stacy: It is like a, a true connection. Welcome to Beyond Better, a podcast that explores a simple but profound idea. We all deserve to lives we love. And that includes our work lives too. I’m your host, Stacey Ennis, an author, book coach, speaker, and longtime location independent entrepreneur living in Portugal with my family of four. Join me as I talk business, location, independence, writing, publishing, and so much more. All focused on building a life that is beyond Better. If you are an aspiring nonfiction author, I would love to help you write your book. I help authors, aspiring authors, just like you, go from idea to draft. I do this through consulting, one one coaching and group programs.

Stacy: If you are ready to get started, serious about finally writing that book that’s been on your heart, on your mind, and probably has some kind of integration into your business, your brand, or your broader impact, I would love to connect with you.

Rita: Hello. Hello and welcome today’s episode. Yes, it’s not Stacy speaking to you today. We are here today to celebrate our 200 episode. It’s so wild that we’ve been doing this for 200 episodes. Well, Stacy has been doing this for 200 episodes. I’ve joined a little later. But it’s super fun that today we get to interview Stacey on the podge. So you’ve heard from me before. This is Rita, your producer, and I’d like to introduce you today’s guest, though she doesn’t need a lot of introduction. Stacy, welcome. Welcome to your own show.

Stacy: Thanks, Rita. I’m very excited to be here.

Rita: Awesome. So I would love to start us off today with. Let’s go right at the beginning. What, what made you start the podcast? Where were you at when you started the podcast? How did you envision it? And also, where were you geographically?

Stacy: Well, I Started listening to podcasts really early. Like I was in that initial POD listener group and I was consuming a lot of podcasts. This is, you know, back in 2016, 2017. And I thought for a couple of years about starting a podcast. And then we moved to Thailand. And after were kind of settled in Thailand, I got tired of talking about thinking about starting a podcast. So one night, I think it was like 10pm because my schedule was really weird in Thailand because of the. The time zone is very difficult to work in. Eight between Asia and the US So it was really late, everybody was asleep, and I was like, I’m just gonna figure it out. And actually Catherine, who used to be on our team, had mentioned this little app that you could record and publish it all on your phone.

Stacy: So I used like a heads attached headset, like headphones, like you talk on the phone and recorded the first episode and didn’t edit it, like just published it. And then, you know, I was a bit inconsistent in the beginning, as many people are when they’re starting new things, and kind of continued with that off and on for a couple of years. I think my first episode dropped in 2018. I’m pretty sure I’d have to go double check that. It’s gotta be. It’s gotta be 2018. And then it honestly wasn’t until you joined Rita three years back that I started really being consistent with the podcast. Because my big hurdle with the podcast was, you know, just like not just recording it, which of course takes the time, but publishing it, plus the quality of it.

Stacy: It was hard to do all of that, plus my client work, plus all, you know, all that stuff. So you made a big difference in making it a reality and in the. And also I. I don’t even know what vision I had for the podcast when I started. And it has evolved into having a lot more clarity around the point of the show, the kind of guests we want, and how we, you know, make our, hopefully our listeners lives better through these episodes.

Rita: Yeah, I love that story. I love that you are, you know, in Thailand. You’re not. Not in Portugal. Because I feel like the most of majority of the podcast you have been in Portugal while you have been recording them. So it’s fun that you were somewhere else while you recorded the first one. And yes, I mean, it has been such a learning journey for the both of us. I feel like even when I started three years ago, you were like, I need some support with the podcast. How do you feel about learning that? And I Was like, okay, let’s go for it. And it’s been so much fun to see how much he has evolved. You kind of answered to my next question, which was your, you know, how. How would you envision the podcast going?

Rita: But I feel like we can take it somewhere differently, which is how, like, did you have this sort of vision for the podcast as it is now? When you started, like, did you ever thought that this could happen when. When you started, you know, having 200 episodes, being consistent, having the incredible guest list that we’ve had and the Amazing Soul episodes? So did you. Did you think about that at all when it started?

Stacy: I mean, it’s in some distant, far off version of it. And it’s funny because I was just chatting with Kayla on our team, I think it was yesterday or the day before, and I. I took her to the YouTube, like, the depths of my YouTube to, like, the earliest, I think we looked at one that was 11 years ago. I just looked like such a little. Such a little baby.

Rita: Those videos.

Stacy: Yeah. And it’s just I. I think whenever I start something, I always have a vision of what I want it to become. And I think in the moment when you’re beginning something new, that feels very far off, because when I started, I only had myself. I didn’t have an assistant. I didn’t have, you know, like, the, I mean, I guess, podcast. I didn’t have somebody in the marketing side to help me get those things out and published and to hold me accountable and to nudge me when I hadn’t recorded something and to block it on my. Like, you do all that stuff for me that makes all of this so possible. Yeah.

Stacy: And I think back then also, and I’ve talked about this a good bit on the podcast, but were still in kind of a lot of our early journey with my youngest health challenges. And so my. The desire to shift my business model and change the way that I work and some of the pivots that I made to allow me to show up more at home, I hadn’t done those yet. So I think a lot of that, actually, as I shifted my vision for the business and built the team and things like that, my vision just keeps expanding and the things that I want to do just keep expanding. And I mean, even I’m not.

Stacy: I’m not going to share the what of it this week, but even you and I have had a conversation this week about something really exciting in the business that wasn’t even in my, like, even in my periphery. It wasn’t Even a thought. And so I feel like with most things, it’s just you need to get started and you need to kind of like build that consistency, figure out the things. So, like, what am I going to do with this?

Stacy: What is this going to become? I certainly didn’t envision this as a method of celebration. It wasn’t in the vision for this. And it’s actually become a huge celebratory engine for us in getting to amplify clients and really support them in their book launches and help people learn from them. That was not in my anything. I didn’t even think about that. And then once we started doing that, I think you and I were both like, wow, this is so much fun. It’s way more fun to celebrate than to try to sell. That’s not fun, right? To get up and try to sell to people. But if you just get up and celebrate and share and serve, it just makes it a lot more joyful.

Rita: There’s two things that you. That I’ve picked out from everything that you just said. One of them, it’s like, it just, you know, it’s like a book. Book writing journey, right? It’s like, it’s that consistency. You don’t know. It’s like you feel kind of lost when you have that idea. And it’s like, wait, can I even envision myself as a published author? You know, I just had that thought and thinking about all of our clients. And then the other thing is, you said a place of celebration, and as you were talking, I was thinking, do you feel like this place kind of became like a safe place for you to come and express and, you know, share your knowledge and. Yeah, because I, I know it’s especially on the solo episodes, you’re talking to the camera, you’re talking to the microphone.

Rita: There’s not an audience for you, so those are a little bit harder. But do you feel that beyond better is a place like that for you?

Stacy: It’s interesting because I was just thinking about this as I was getting ready to have this conversation because today was a content day. So I created a lot of videos and, you know, just, I was very like in that energy today of creation and I was thinking about it after because I thought, why am I not way more tired? I just spent hours recording content for YouTube and for other things that we’re doing. I think two things. One, I realized today actually just had this point of awareness that I just get a lot of energy through teaching and through connecting with people. That’s Very energizing for me. So the podcast is a way to do that.

Stacy: Sometimes I’m teaching, sometimes I get on and I’m teaching a topic or I’m learning, which is another huge obsession of mine is just continual learning, which is that you share that with me. Our whole team shares that. And then the connection piece. I’ve been really surprised at how easy it is to get on and just talk to listeners, talk to the audience. It seems like it should be weird to sit and talk to a camera, but it doesn’t. It almost never feels weird to me anymore. In the beginning it did, but I think now it doesn’t. What’s always kind of funny to me is when I meet. So a lot of people that are in their book journeys will listen to the podcast. Maybe they’re considering working with me, or they just want to find information so they’ll come across my content.

Stacy: And whenever we do get a chance to chat or they send me an email or something, and they know so much about my life, and then I’m like, oh, yeah, that’s because I talk about it all the time on the podcast. It’s like, I do share. Of course, I have a layer of which I’m willing to share. I don’t, I hope, never overshare. But I do think that, like, I never want to show up as somebody who has it all together all the time or doesn’t have challenges, doesn’t have to overcome things, doesn’t have a real life, you know, all of those things. That’s been for sure a process to figure out how to be that way in an authentic way, but also in a way that’s. That feels safe when you’re sharing.
Stacy: You, like, you share to a level that feels safe, but also, you know, when you’re sharing, somebody else could be changed by that or impacted. So that’s for sure been. It’s been a process, I think, to uncover that side of myself, and today it feels very natural.

Rita: That’s awesome. It’s like, you know, it’s like that. That first, at the beginning, you’re uncomfortable. You don’t know what it’s going to be like. And then you start developing this skill and it just is just going with it. So I really love that. I would love to know if there is, like, an episode or like a guest or like, that was like a super highlight. And yeah, that for you is just like that. It just came off top of your mind as I asked you this question. What was like, the episode that you Were like, oh my God. Or that guest or a conversation that really changed you and impacted you.

Stacy: So it’s interesting because I know I knew you were going to ask me this question and I went through the recesses of my mind to think of the right answer. And I don’t think I can call out a specific episode, but I will say my favorite episodes are ones where clients come on. Because for me, when I’m coaching, of course I get to see some behind the scenes and I’m very involved with them. But in those conversations, now that they’re through the process, they reveal another layer to me that I wasn’t always fully aware of. And, and sometimes they can only really do that through reflection. So once they’re through the process and they can look back and go, wow, this and this. So that. That’s probably my very favorite. Those are my favorite episodes for sure. Our client episodes.

Stacy: Yeah, they’re always just fun and really joyful to get to have them on the podcast. What I think is actually more life changing and impactful for me are the personal conversations that I have with listeners or audience members that I get to connect with. And it’s funny because I’ve been at this for so long, but it’s really only been in the last couple of years that our audience has grown and we have more people listening, more people on our email list on social media. And as it grows then it grows faster because we now have more exposure and that engine is just moving faster. And so it’s in the last probably one to two, probably one year.

Stacy: Last year is the first time where I might go to an event and it’s somebody who has been following me for a while and I’ve never met them before. And that is a very strange experience when you have that for the first time of somebody has been in your ecosystem but you don’t know them personally.

Rita: You’ve got like a fan.

Stacy:Well, yeah, but. Yes. Yeah. So it’s. But it’s more like there is a relationship there. But I haven’t been like human Stacy in life, in real life has not been involved in that yet. So to get to hear from people that have had an impactful episode or content piece. I got a message from somebody recently that they listened to an episode I did with one of my guests and then they started it over because it was so impactful. They listened to it two times in a row just right away. That is huge. Yeah. Because I know that a lot of people that listen well, I know for A fact. The people that listen to this are they like, they have big dreams and they have things that are important to them that they’re trying to accomplish. They’re not, you know, listening to be entertained.

Stacy: I don’t think I’m that entertaining. So I think it would be more to, you know, to grow and to learn. They’re listening because they have maybe a goal of writing a book or they want to be location independent or they’re exploring what purpose can look like in their lives. So yeah, I think that for me from like a actual life impact standpoint is more impactful as like the offline conversations than the actual guests. Even though they’re fabulous and I love them.

Rita: Yeah, yeah, that’s interesting because it’s. Sometimes it’s hard to separate that, especially when all of our work is like remotely and digitally. It’s like, oh yeah, this is real people behind cameras and behind the keyboard. So when you have those interactions it’s like, oh, it’s like that reminder and it feels so special and unique for you to have that feeling. I feel like it’s similarly to our team when we are, I mean, we have not met everyone in person, which for me it’s crazy. And we have built these relationships with them and you know, we’ve got Andrew and Kyla there in South Africa and it’s like you know them and you, you know their, how they are as person as you get to work with them, but you actually don’t know them in real life. So.

Rita: So we are very fortunate that we get to hang out a few times here in Portugal with Katie as well. So yeah, I think my point is it is awesome to see the real impact in the offline community and to keep ourselves reminding that with the digital work, especially these days. Right. It was so glued to our phones and to social media that we forget that sometimes as real people on the other side that we actually creating an impact for positive or negative. Although we focus on a positive impact, which is awesome with the clients and the work that we get to do. But yeah, do you have some insights that you could share for like this online versus offline era? I guess.

Stacy: Yeah. Well, it’s interesting because I know you and I have chatted about this a lot, this just kind of craving to be more in person and I know we are not so secretly anymore dreaming up a potential retreat next spring here in Portugal. So actively working on that and like trying to overcome also my inner perfectionist that’s like, no, if it can’t be perfect. It cannot happen. So, you know, that piece, I think that in person, I’ve also done more in person speaking events this past year and I find those really enriching. I mean, so wonderful. It’s just, it’s interesting because in our, this age where we’re so connected to our phones and social.

Stacy: If you ask anybody what the best moment of their life is or the most impactful conversation, even the question you just asked me, not knowing we’re gonna take it down this road, people almost never say, oh, I saw this real. It like changed my life. You know, it’s like, I think about, you know, I have this very clear memory of this conversation I had in Thailand before we left. I think about, you know, with this woman that worked at a restaurant went to every Sunday and her telling me about the death of her daughter and then bringing me this beautiful bracelet the following Sunday, this jade bracelet. And you know, like those kinds of connections that are real and unscripted and personal, I think those are really what truly matter in our lives.

Stacy: The thing that I think is wonderful about a podcast and other long form content, unlike a reel, this actually engages people intellectually. It does feel like a conversation. So there are certain podcasters I listen to that. I mean, I probably have like a parasocial relationship with in some way. Right. Like, I feel like I know them. I don’t actually think they’re a friend, but I, I do feel like I, I understand them. I know their personality. Like, I listen to this American Life every week. I think Ira Glass is a complete rock star, you know, the host of that. And so there is this thing where people are spending, you know, sometimes an up to an hour a week. Usually our episodes are around 45 minutes, but, you know, a good chunk of time every single week. It is like a, a true connection.

Stacy: I will say I have this. I haven’t even told you this. Rita, someday in my dreams, I would love to do a live podcast tour.

Rita: That would be fun.

Stacy: Yeah. Go to like a few major cities. You record live, have.

Rita: Okay, I’m going to take note of that. And I’m not letting this one go.

Stacy: Wouldn’t that be fun.

Rita: Yes. Okay. Anyone listening out there want to sponsor a podcast trip?

Stacy: Yes. Yeah, it would be so cool whenever the podcast that I listen to do this, they usually have some kind of variety show component. So they’ll have like a musician or they’ll do like audience participation activities and things. And I just think it would be so fun to do something like that. So that’s in my. Needs to go on my mental vision board.

Rita: I think, I think it should already be there, Stacy.

Stacy: Yes. Well, I guess it is, because I just said it, so it’s happening. Yeah.

Rita: Happens. He’s like that time that I said to you, I think maybe one day I’ll write a book. And you’re like, well, you’ve said it out loud now, so that will happen.

Stacy: You have to be careful on our team. Right? Because you’re. I know. It’s like you’re going to become a runner and you’re going to write a book at some point. This is like your fate, basically. Okay, I promise not to take over hosting, but can I ask you a question? And then I’ll. I won’t. I won’t take. I promise not to take over.

Rita: I’ll let this one go.

Stacy: Okay. So you have been in observation for most of this, right? I mean, you’re the. You plan, you organize, you get notes together, you produce, you do, like, everything other than the conversation piece. I would love to know from you over this time that you’ve been involved in the podcast. What, I don’t know what you’ve taken from that, from the evolution of it or, like, any insights that you have to share about this journey, because we, I, I just feel like the podcast is not the same podcast that it was when you started working on it.

Rita: Well, I was not expecting that question, but I was just thinking about, like, right at the beginning, like, just some small changes that we did and things that we’ve kind of. This is kind of going to a little bit of, like, logistics, I guess, but it will answer your question. So just like the quality of the, of the sound, the quality of the questions, like making some little tweaks. Especially for me, I had no knowledge on sound editing or video editing. And that’s probably also quite visible on the progress that the show has had the last couple of years with the quality of editing as well and the consistency that has allowed to develop that skill.

Rita: But I think the biggest thing for me, and I just feel like I learn so much with the guests that come on and with every single episode that I edit. Like, Like, I am constantly learning. And as I’m learning by listening and by being present to edit, it also makes me better at editing because then I will know when can I leave a longer pause? Or when should I cut? Or does this make sense? Does this flow into the conversation. And bear in mind, we don’t do major cutting on our episodes. FYI, the interviews are pretty much as they are, which is make sure that the sound is, like, clearer or like something that might have not made sense or like a mistake. Those are the things we edit out. But I think for me, that has been, like, the biggest learning.

Rita: It’s just, like, soaking all the information that I’m getting from, like, the guests and so many of the guests. Like, I have brought so much into my personal life, into my professional life of things that we’re just learning. So, and this, like, what I just said now, it also makes me think of what I was thinking when you were just saying about, you know, reaching other people and people are engaging and they’re learning something. I feel like a podcast is also a platform that it’s free for people to, it’s accessible for anyone to, like, if you have an interest of, like, developing yourself and growing as a person in your personal life or professional life or emotionally. Podcasts are such a great way to, to grow and to evolve. So I think I love podcasts for that too, for that accessibility. And.

Stacy: Yeah, so I love that point, Rita, because this is something we talk about a lot on the team as well. Coaching. My coaching services are premium service, right? And, and it does require an investment, and we put out tons and tons of free content. I do a lot of free talks, I do a lot of free webinars. And, and I do that with no expectation. You know, hopefully, of course, we’re going to find clients will find us and feel connected to our mission. And of course, we want to support the business and the work that we’re doing and the impact that we want to make. And we have a lot of listeners in developing countries, people on our email list that are in areas of the world that never will hire me for coaching.

Stacy: And I think that’s really important to be creating content to help people that, to make it accessible, make it more equitable, the access that access.

Rita: To knowledge more equitable, 100%. And I, I, yeah, I, it’s, it’s funny because sometimes those are the people that are most engaged as well, really value. They truly value what you’re giving to them. And I think that’s just such a beautiful way of being in the world. So thank you, Stacy, for sharing all that amazing knowledge with our audience. I would like to ask you now, obviously you told us at the top that you didn’t have a Big vision for the podcast. While you just shared it. A tour would be an amazing thing to. To do. But how do you see the next 200 episodes going? How do you see the podcast evolving? And how. How would you love to. Where. Where would you love to. For beyond. Better to. To go and to get to.

Stacy: Wow. Well, one, I really envision a studio creating a podcast studio that matches visually the work we put into it behind the scenes. Because I don’t have a true studio right now. I have my office. I mean, I record this from the desk that I sit in and do all of my work all day. And so to have a dedicated studio where I can go in and record, I’d love to have live guests come in where we’re, you know, seated across from each other. I love that style of podcast. So that’s definitely in my mind of where I would love to go someday. I also see creating more individual episodes.

Stacy: So while I love having guests on, I do find that the episodes that I record that are more targeted toward what the audience wants and needs, that are solo episodes, those seem to be some of the most popular ones. So I know that is useful, right? Like, that is helpful. It’s helping people. So I do see doing more of that. Yeah, I think it’s interesting. I think obviously I would love to grow a lot and I’d love to expand our listener base many X. I mean, really like scale. That’s certainly in my mind. And I know that we’ve done all of the groundwork. I think one of the things I’m most proud of with the way that we have done all of our marketing, business development, everything we do is created, right.

Stacy: It’s created with systems so that if and when those really cool next massive things happen, we already have everything in place to be able to handle it. So I’m. I’m just excited to see where we can go and how many more people we can reach. And then I think also, you know, I’m always working on my next books amidst also helping people with theirs. And I certainly see a future where I’m doing more. I’m sharing a little bit more of my expertise in creative productivity, lifestyle, design, habits, all of those things that have been really foundational to, like, my service that I offer, which is book coaching, that’s more of the holistic piece. So I don’t know, I envision that kind of integrating a little more into the platform eventually. And all of the things.

Rita: I love all of that, and I love that I get to be part of it too. It’s fun. And actually I’ll take this time to if for you that are listening or watching, if you have any questions or suggestions for us, please send it our way. You can either reply in the comments or connect with us@hellostacianis.com we always, you know, we’re always open to feedback and it’ll be awesome to help us grow, especially those of you that have been with us. Also, if there’s any one of you that has been with us since the beginning, well, I’d not say with Stacy since the beginning, please let us know because that would be super fun to connect. You know, if you listen to the first episodes and you’re listening to now and what are your thoughts and what’s your feedback of the show.

Rita: So to take us to the end, I would love to ask you our typical questions for our guests. If you could recommend any book to our listeners, what would that book be?

Stacy: This is the hardest question in the world, which I ask every single person now that comes on the podcast. Because I was thinking about this also when I was getting ready for this conversation and I was like, oh my gosh. Because there is a different book for every life stage. But if I really had to go to one book like the book that I think about the very most is the Little Prince. The Little Prince by Antoine. I can’t pronounce it. De Saint Exupery. He’s a French. If you’re French, correct. My pronunciation okay. I don’t know how to pronounce his name. But the Little Prince is such a beautiful book. It’s very simple. I read it when I was in college. I’ve reread it many times. I have the pop up book for my kids. They each have copies.

Stacy: I mean, it’s really a beautiful book. And in fact, my daughter, really cool this past year won second place in this huge T shirt design contest and her prize was the Little Prince in Portuguese, which was like, what universe? I love that the book. The reason that I love it so much is because it’s such an insightful book and it’s just so quotable. There’s so many things in there about really what matters in life, true human connection, living a heart center in a heart centered way, letting go of materialism, caring truly for others. I mean, there’s just so much depth in that book. And it can be read as a simple children’s book or it can be read as a philosophical book. So I think that would probably be the book, and it is on my shelf behind me.

Stacy: I don’t know if anybody can see, but I have multiple copies. But it’s like a special copy that I got actually at Livra Realu in Porto. It’s like a special version from this bookstore in Porto, Portugal, that is the at least fabled to be the inspiration for the library in Harry Potter. So it’s just absolutely beautiful.

Rita: It is.

Stacy: And yeah, so I have lots of versions of the book. This is one that sits on my shelf and I love.

Rita: Oh, I love that recommendation. And I think I shared this with you, that I only actually read the book this year. Right. I think I told you this. So I was gifted the book when I was younger, when I was a child, and I lost it. So I never really got to finish. And I’m going to admit something. I was never a big reader growing up and I’ve found my love now with reading since working with you actually the last few years. So big fan of books these days. And the Little Prince obviously was on the list for many years. And I read it for the first time in Portuguese this January, February, I can’t recall. And it was so beautiful.

Rita: And I think I shared this with you and you mentioned to me I would love to have had the experience of reading it for the first time as an adult. It is such a wonderful book. Like you said, it’s so philosophical, so inspirational. Such beautiful ways of keeping hold of what really matters in life. So thank you for that recommendation. I might have to go and read it again.

Stacy: I know. I was thinking the same thing. It’s been a couple years, few years since I’ve read it. So my son actually has this thing called a Tony box. And for anybody listening that doesn’t know what it is, it’s this little box and you have little characters that you place on the box. And he has a shorter version of the Little Prince. It’s like a little figurine. So he puts this on the box and then it reads the Little Prince to him. So that’s really fun. We have that and. But I haven’t actually read him the whole book, so maybe that’ll be my next thing is to read it to my son.

Rita: Oh, I love that. I love that. And to finish off for today, what is what you’re most excited about currently? And. Well, I know what you’re most excited about currently, but what are you most excited about currently? Please share with our audience and yeah, where. Where can people find you? Stacy, tell us.

Stacy: There’s a lot that I’m excited about right now, but I think professionally what I’m most excited about is all of the things that we have in the works that I’m not going to talk about right now. We just have a lot of. A lot of movement and a lot of really exciting things that we’re building. And, you know, Rita, you andrew and our other team members have all pushed me a lot in the last, I think even just the last six months in some of your ideas that have caused me to have to kind of step into some different spaces with content, which has been a challenge, but a good challenge. So I’m excited about that. I’m excited about a lot of the partnerships that I already have and I’m developing in the publishing world and the access that brings to clients.

Stacy: And then, you know, I think just looking forward to our life here. We’ve been here for almost six years now, and I still, like, almost. Probably every day. Yeah, probably it is every day. I think about how glad I am to be here. I mean, it’s just a very present, present thing for me. It’s not gonna waste. So, yeah, just grateful to get to continue our life here in Portugal and see where the business goes, which is exciting, really exciting.

Rita: Oh, yeah. I think we’re both sharing the. That same feeling and that same vibe.

Stacy: Oh, and I didn’t say where to find me, which probably people will know this, but you can go to staceyannis.com and if we’re not connected on LinkedIn and you’ve been a listener for a while or even you’re new, send me a connection request, please, and tell me that you listen. I’d love to directly connect. And I’m also on Instagram that’s been growing like crazy, like way faster than any other platform. So it’s a great place to watch me make a fool of myself sometimes on reels and tell stories. I tell a lot of stories on there.

Rita: Yeah. And I can add as a YouTube. We’ve. We’ve.

Stacy: Yes.

Rita: Yeah, we’ve started to lean hard on YouTube. So that would be awesome if you could go and support there, subscribe and you can watch the podcast, not just listening, can watch the video. So, yeah. Stacey, this is so much fun. I’m so glad we did this. And 200 episodes. Wow. Congratulations. This is huge. So, yeah, thank you. Thank you for swapping places with me today.

Stacy: Thanks for the idea. I love it. Yeah. It is a big milestone and I also appreciate you bringing the celebration to it and making it special. So thank you. Thanks for hosting and thank you as.

Rita: Always to you for being with us today. Thank you for listening or for watching. Don’t forget to subscribe and to follow. And if you could leave us a rating, that would be incredible. That would support us to reach more people with the message of beyond better, living a life that is beyond better. And we’ll be back with you before you know it.

Stacy: Thank you. Thanks, Rita. This was so fun.